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TideSwayer · Jul 20, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

Ah, okay. Very sorry Fying and Kook~NBK~, I misunderstood what that meant

. Yeah, now that you mention it, that doesn't make any sense. The only thing I can come up with is that they are trying to get rid of the "Party Search-" tag to make it easier for indistrict scanners

If you use any of the new "filtered" phrases like WTB or WTS, you also now get bound by the limits of the Party Search message length. The chat channel will let you type a longer message (because it's designed to have a longer message, as normal), but when you hit ENTER it gets cut off, even in trade chat.

I'm sure as hell not putting up with that. Plus, what about people who like to sell multiple things at once? Even before it was hard to advertise lots of items at once, and with a shorter message it's even worse. There's no way to choose which line I want listed in Party Search so I'm back to adding things in manually. ANet thinks we should only try to sell one thing at once now? Yeah, right.

Keep fighting the good fight and get those resources allocated to come up with a reasonable solution to this mess.

phoenixtech · Jul 20, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Chthon

I think I suggested something like this elsewhere. The only problem would be for potential buyers to recognize templates worth looking into. Of course, that could be solved by having the viewer's client unpack the template and construct a formulaic string out of it for display purposes. (ie Potential seller creates template "12345" via the dropdowns, server receives and retransmits "Template:12345," potential buyers' clients see "Template:12345" and display "WTS: Icy Fellblade (15^50, req 11, not inscr) of Defense (+4) - 3k - OBO.")

Another option, if we can't increase the field length, is to increase the alphabet's character depth. Ideally, there could be mouse-over-able characters that would display the full stats for an item. Then your message could be as simple as "WTS: <symbol>." Barring that, we'd still be a hell of a lot better off than we are now if we had some 1-character symbols for weapon types (sword, axe etc), and some common mods.

I suggested a very similar mechanism in another thread here

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10178679

the system already exist if you think about how the skill/equipment templates are stored and parsed. Also the template code would be automatically parsed, much like emoticons are parsed in web browsers when you type : followed by ) giving you a smiley face.

Operative 14 · Jul 20, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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If you use any of the new "filtered" phrases like WTB or WTS, you also now get bound by the limits of the Party Search message length. The chat channel will let you type a longer message (because it's designed to have a longer message, as normal), but when you hit ENTER it gets cut off, even in trade chat.

Yes, I know. Please read my preceding three (or so) posts.

cyberjanet · Jul 20, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Alfrond

I've done a little programming and I know that something that looks really simple to the user might have been a pain to code.

ANYTHING that looks really simple to the user is a real pain to code. The simpler it looks, the more difficult the programming. That's what being a good programmer is all about, making really tricky things simple and easy for the users.

I guess that says a lot for the ANet developers: their users think everything is real easy.

VinnyRidira · Jul 20, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Also remember that the one line changes to code often require 5 compilations.

Chico · Jul 20, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I understand you want more characters in the PS window. Sorry, that is simply not possible with the programming in Guild Wars. It's something we can look at with the new programming and the new engine for Guild Wars 2, but from all that I know, we cannot modify it for the current game.

Gaile:

Reading your post is insulting. If it is a real limitation in the game engine or network code used, let's say that it is as nobody not in the dev team can't really know, it is still something the game developers CAN fix/enhance/update. We know they are probably busy as hell with GW2 or with GN:EN but come on, don't blame it on 'the programming'. You can stream updates of about 690megs to all players even if we are not using the content yet, download stuff on demand, etc. but you can't make messages on the PS larger? It is just like the "technical" limitation that prevents anet from giving us more storage. There's no such technichal limitation for storage and there's no limitation for the search panel.

Destro Maniak · Jul 21, 2007, 09:00 AM // 09:00

I was selling diamond aegis yesterday.
WTS req9 Tactic Diamond Aegis +30hp +10armor vs fire *Dyed Black*
After a damn 10 minute of spammin I saw my post:
WTS req9 Tactic Diamo(maybe bit longer)
So what I did:
WTSq9DIAMONaegis+30BLCK DY

like this
BEACUSE:
WTS DIAMOND AEGIS
isnt informatif enought

shoogi · Jul 22, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I think some of you need a swift kick in the... excuse me, I believe some of you need a reality check.

How could you even suggest that we don't play, don't care, don't read, don't give you anything, whatever the current beef of the day is?

Consider:

Party Search
Expanded storage
Observer Mode
Reconnects
The Festival Hat NPC
Domain of Anguish
The title system
Hard Mode
Festivals -- modified and new
A bloomin' $100,000 Tournament

The list is darn near endless!

I understand you want more characters in the PS window. Sorry, that is simply not possible with the programming in Guild Wars. It's something we can look at with the new programming and the new engine for Guild Wars 2, but from all that I know, we cannot modify it for the current game.

However, I'd like you to look at the Big Picture, and realize how small that issue is, and how comments like "We never get what we want" are utterly inaccurate, inappropriate, and unfair.

I advocate for fans every day. But I really hope that the other dev team members don't see this thread because, today, I'm totally embarrassed by a few of you and your petulant comments.

Actually, Gaile, it is us that should be embarrassed by this comment.
Gaile, I'd like to tell you why I play GuildWars. I hate PvE. I think that PvE is boring, pointless and generally a waste of time. In every game I play, I look for the PvP aspect- PvP offers much more excitement, challenge and fun than PvE does. There is no other game that offers the same quality and level of PvP that GuildWars does. We have so many different arenas, types of matches, and of course the glorious GvG. Most RPGs don't offer more than 1v1 duels and huge tons vs tons, which are both somewhat lame.
There are people that play GuildWars for the PvE it offers, and you devs always give them new things and events, as you said in your post. But what about the PvP community? As a PvP player, I feel that I am just being ignored by ArenaNet. We, the PvPers, don't play GuildWars just because it doesnt have monthly fee (as opposed to another game which I won't mention by name), we play GuildWars because it's an amazing game, PvP-wise.
The amazing PvP that I'm talking about is rapidly diminishing and dying out. The PvP community is decreasing constantly. Almost every player I know has already left the game, because the PvP that GuildWars offers nowadays is a bad joke of what it used to be. Gaile, your game is FALLING APART.
When was the last time that any of you devs has been to Heroes' Ascent? Do you have any idea of what's going on there? Do I have to tell you that 80% of the groups use (abuse might be more correct) heroes, since the heroes' AI is much better than any human player at some cases? And do you know that the rest of the groups either use an incredibly overpowered build (ritspike) or a build that's running for 2 years (IWAY)?
When was the last time that any of you has been to Random Arenas? Why do I have to tell you that about 75% of the matches aren't matches because of people that leave since there is no monk / they want to play with someone specific? Do you think how to solve that problem? Do you even care?
We, and I'm speaking on behalf of many players, are PvP players. Gaile, we DON'T CARE about expanded storage. We DON'T CARE about Hardmode. We DON'T CARE about a new festival hat. We DON'T CARE about Domain of Anguish. And we ESPECIALLY DON'T CARE about a Double-Signet-of-Capture-XP weekend.
We care about SKILL BALANCES. We care about FIXING HEROES' ASCENT. We care about FIXING RANDOM ARENA. Do you?
Gaile, when we say that we're disappointed with ArenaNet, we're not talking about the limited amount of characters in the Party Search window. We're talking about the PvP crumbling and you doing nothing about it.
Well, I can't blame you. Your goal is profit (nothing wrong with that) and you realized that the true treasure lies in PvE. PvE sells. I still can't see why does it mean ignoring the PvP community. Do you remember the first months of the game? Do you remember how frequent skill balances were, compared to nowadays? Now, there is a skill balance every 3-4 months, which is usually a joke that doesn't balance anything.
You devs said yourselves that you define GuildWars as a CORPG- a competitive online RPG. I know that lately you are avoiding those claims, but in the beginning you said that GuildWars is about PvP. And it truly was. And it was great. That went for some months. In a long process, that started at the Sorrow's Furnace update and is still going on, you shifted GuildWars to a PvE game. You said it yourself- Hardmode, Nightfall (a pure pve campaign), DoA, festivals... quoting your own words- The list is darn near endless. We hear so much about the PvE in GW:EN. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we didn't hear a word about the PvP there. GuildWars is changing from the unique PvP game it used to be to another copy of that same other game which I won't mention by name.
Yeah, I know that you're going to mention Automated Tournaments and reconnects. Those, while being great, don't change the fact that the PvP in Guildwars is crumbling.
You will probably classify this comment as another childish, ungrateful and petulant comment. I just want you to know that there are many many players that think like me. PvP is dying. So, before you make some triple iron ingot drop weekend, make a skill balance. Fix the sick mechanics in Heroes' Ascent. Solve the RA problem. We both agree that this is more important, don't we?

Deleet · Jul 22, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Right...because people wrote a dissertation on exactly what kind of monk they wanted before party search came out.

It's always been "GLF XX, SELF INVITE!" Now it automatically goes in party search. There's nothing to frickin complain about here; whatever you did before, you do the exact same thing now...and it automatically uses party search.

Why in god's name would it be better to spam "WT S" rather than "WTS"? The second is exactly like the first, except your message also goes in party search, which is damn useful in LA and Kamadan.

It seems obvious that you're not playing PvP very much..?

Normally you don't just type "glf monks 6/8", mainly in PvE / low-skilled you do that.

More likely to type: "Guild group lf r6+ boon prot(or whatever is currently popular) /w vent+mic" It just doesn't fit in the party search. You see?

Commander Ryker · Jul 22, 2007, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by GODh

The party-search is limited... VERRRRRRRRY limited. Their own example ("glf monk") shows us how simplistic they think...

"glf monk"... Wtf? There is a group looking for a monk? So what?
* What kind of monk: healer, protector, smiter, maybe a mix?
* Where do they need a monk for? A quest, a mission, maybe farming?

There is no f**king room to make DECENT descriptions in the party-search window. Therefor, NOBODY will use it!!!!!

That would be a valid arguement if people actually put more then, "glf monk" or what ever. With the exception of HA (and not always there either) it is assumed that a healing monk is what's needed. Very rarely do they add what for. I've been in towns/outposts adding hench and hero to skill cap and some random person will click on me to either join me or to add me to their group, with no idea of why I'm there.

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Originally Posted by GODh

Wanna buy/sell something? You cant do that via the party-search window as you cant make DECENT descriptions of the stuff you are looking for/trying so sell... i would never respond to someone who is "WTS sword 100k". I wanna know name, requirement, stats, price, etc... not just "sword" or "staff" or whatever due the lack of room.

You can do all that, you just have to do it in shorthand, or txt spk. Most of you who play, do texting all the time and I see so many examples of it right here on guru. So take that and put it in your party search.

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Originally Posted by GODh

This "idea" may work for a few days... then people figure out it is better to "WT S" or "WT$", etc to sell their stuff and we are back to where many of us dont wanna go: spam...

A few days? Try a few minutes, if even for that long. If people spent that time, trying to make it work, rather then trying to find a way around it, we wouldn't have half the problems we do now.

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Originally Posted by GODh

How long will it take before anet finally starts to really play their own game. Then they finally would understand that they are making really a mess out of this

How long will it take before the players actually try to do it right rather then think of ways around it and whine here on the boards? The players are the ones making a mess of it.

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Because party search screws your message up.

What is WTS Elemental Sword r9 100K + 80 ecto

is shortened to WTS Elemental Sword r9 100K

(Just an example, not saying it;s true). So people whisp 'I buy for 100K!!!' while you actually sell for 100K + ecto's. The whisping players cannot see you in trrade chat, since they're in other district.

If you had typed in the party search window as "wts elemental sword 100k + 80e" (and that will fit, I just tried it) then your whole message will get through.

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Originally Posted by reetkever

THAT is the problem with the party search. It's confusing and making unreadable long messages.

Also, things like: 'LFP We need Mo, Echo Nuker, Tanker (2/5)' are shortened, too.`

The problem with party search is people refusing to even try it. They'd rather whine, "the character limit is too small" then even try to see if they can make it fit. You can type LF Mo/E-nuke/tank (who says tanker anyway?) for quest or LF Mo/E-nuke/tank 4 mission. There is plenty of room, you just have to think for a second to make it fit.

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Lets be honest... have any unrequested features been good?
Party Search has been unused ever since its implemention.... and what the hell was the point of Auto-Targetting, i haven't seen a single person saying they liked it and Anet were forced into making it optional ASAP.
Now they're trying to force us into Party Search, really, didn't they learn from Auto-Targetting with regards to forcing people to use things?

I like auto targeting, really.

Death_From_Above · Jul 22, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I think some of you need a swift kick in the... excuse me, I believe some of you need a reality check.

How could you even suggest that we don't play, don't care, don't read, don't give you anything, whatever the current beef of the day is?

Consider:

Party Search
Expanded storage
Observer Mode
Reconnects
The Festival Hat NPC
Domain of Anguish
The title system
Hard Mode
Festivals -- modified and new
A bloomin' $100,000 Tournament

The list is darn near endless!

Please Galie, please. Are you being serious or playing around here?
The list is near darn endless but where on it does it contain having Kill count removed from HA. Where on it does it even have removing relic runs from HA (Hall of Heros). Where on it does it have needed skill balances for today or banning heros from HA. Rather you havent given us what we want but what we dont want. Need i mention 6v6. If anet cared so much why is it the pvp community had to go 9 months of outcry before anet changed 8v8 back to 6v6. I this caring? Im sure if your road had a huge hole in it and the goverment neglected this for a year you wouldnt think of it as so. As for it being the current beef, in terms of pve yes you may do these things but in relation to pvp its not the current beef its the truth. If you ever played HA you would clearly see the problems which need to be fixed in order to fix it. This tells us no not many anet members HA. As for reading, yes you may read but that may be all you do. For months on end now the HA community have posted logical solutions to your problem. Then every 3 months we get the oh anet reads your posts doooont worry (because many people say your not as still no changes). 12 months later, look where we are still nothing has basically been done about the problems.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

However, I'd like you to look at the Big Picture, and realize how small that issue is, and how comments like "We never get what we want" are utterly inaccurate, inappropriate, and unfair.

Tell me, is the HA comments like that inappropriate unfair and inaccurate. I would call unfair when HA has been neglected for over a year now and all you wanted to for it to be fixed which wouldnt even take long. Inaccurate? How. You may have alot of things on that list but according to many players *the HA and pvp players*. You havent got even half of the important stuff on it. The stuff that would bring HA players back to HA. The stuff that would make HA enjoyable. No Galie you dont hence why although the pve community may not be able to say stuff like this. The HA community and pvp community can say no anet you do not care about pvp. You do not care about what we say. In fact your not intrested. If this isnt the case, how come Galie i havent seen you nor many other guys from anet post on the HA section. Why is it even after how many years of gw the only huge changes to it have been bad ones and those where done about 1 year ago. Why is it basically HA is similar to how it was 2 years ago. With the little update once in a while such as added leaver to scarred earth. Id like to know how you can justify how we cannot complain and make these statements.

Despozblehero · Jul 25, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

How long will it take before the players actually try to do it right rather then think of ways around it and whine here on the boards? The players are the ones making a mess of it.

If you had typed in the party search window as "wts elemental sword 100k + 80e" (and that will fit, I just tried it) then your whole message will get through.

The problem with party search is people refusing to even try it. They'd rather whine, "the character limit is too small" then even try to see if they can make it fit. You can type LF Mo/E-nuke/tank (who says tanker anyway?) for quest or LF Mo/E-nuke/tank 4 mission. There is plenty of room, you just have to think for a second to make it fit.

My particular problem with this update is its named PARTY SEARCH... yet half(if not more) only have intentions using it for trade, as was suggested before it ever got updated and never saw any real use... Its clear people dont consider finding a group anywhere near as important as making it easier to trade... cause lets admit it buying/selling in this game atm, sucks, 100% no fun. So when i see that 90% of the problem with this update is that everyone wants to use it for trade, and not actually to search for a party, i think to myself "hmmmm self: anet should really fix the freaking trade problem instead of wasting time on a party search thats just not needed." If theyre gonna implement WoW stuff in their game (yes WoW has a party search ;p) take the things thatll be most relevant to the current game... like a freaking auction house. I dont even like the idea of auction house really, but itd be way better than the 15 lane 10,000 car pile-up system of trade we got now. But youd 1st have to convice the company (and apparently the "PR" thats suppose to listen to and understand the fans) that defending something that wasnt needed in the face of something that is, well thats just not good buisness...